Crying it out
March 25, 2007 — Nutty MummyI read this post this evening .. and I wanted to share my experiences.. because what we did worked.
Of course every child is different.. but this was just our way that worked with our girl…
I was just gonna share what I’m sure many others have.. about sleeping and little ones..
My oldest is now 29months and has always slept well (up till now.. I hope I’m not jinxing it!!)
She always fell asleep on us though, in the evening and we would carry her up to bed asleep and then put her down.
Everyone said we were doing it wrong but we figured seeing as she never woke up.. what’s the big deal?
However, when I got pregnant with Ella, we knew we had to do something about it because it just wouldn’t be practical to imagine that Rowan would be able to go to sleep down here if we had a screaming baby in the room as well. And vice versa..
Rowan had become one of those kids where you breath a little too loudly and she would jump awake like an air rifle had gone off next to her ear!
So I started Crying It Out.
We wore her out to her absolute limit the first two days and she went without a nap
(which incidentally she still has most days.. she goes through phases of not having it, sometimes a few days, but always goes back to it.. we’ve told her that she has to have time in her room even if she doesn’t want to go to sleep.. she always sleeps .. eventually.. sometimes she will play for an hour but will always sleep in the end. Our health visitor said {when questioned about the napping} it’s really beneficial for them to learn how to spend time alone. This is even better for them if they then wake in the night.. as they won’t be scared to be alone and can feel safe in their own bed and own space until they’re ready to go back to sleep).
Anyway, she went without her nap and then these first two nights she was so shattered that she went to sleep within a coupla minutes of protest.. maybe 15 minutes in total….
I sat in the chair in her room (we took a comfy armchair up there especially) and she slept through.
We thought we had hit the absolute JACKPOT!! This is easy! YAY for me!
The third night she cried for 45 minutes.
I felt bad but I didn’t go over to her. She was reaching for me and crying and (she was 18mnths) saying mama but I just made no eye contact and just sat in the chair and looked at the floor.
It almost broke my heart that first night but I just kept my goal in my head. I was already showing a biggish bump. I was knackered with pregnancy already and it just seemed when I thought it through.. that it was fairer to her in the long run.
It felt bad for me and I’m sure at the time.. it felt bad for her.. but you have to understand that they don’t see you as the bad guy. They are always happy to see you the next day. Always. Forgotten and best friends again.
Note here - there is a difference between crying and fussing and screaming. I would never have let her scream. That’s different. She just whined for me and cried. And tried every trick in the book to get me to go over to her ..
Also - you have to look for the pattern. They have to be crying down. In other words their fussing has to be becoming shorter and (generally) quieter and less frequent. They may be quiet for differing lengths of time in between but the bouts should follow the rules above.
If they are crying up.. (i.e. the opposite) .. it’s not working. Pick them up, soothe them and as soon as they are quiet and calmed, put them back down.
It takes incredible amounts of resolve to complete the repetition. But it does work if you persevere. Every time you give in.. you’ve wasted your time.. and their tears. All you’ve taught them is.. cry for this long.. and I’ll give you a cuddle to make it better.
On the 6th day (3rd day 45 minutes of crying, 4th day 15 minutes, 5th day 15 minutes and 6th day 5 minutes) she fell asleep with minimal fussing. And settled herself, got comfy and basically ignored me.
We continued to be present in her room for about 2 weeks and there was the odd hiccup. But one night I just put her down and left the room .. she was absolutely fine.
Not a peep.
It was totally worth it.
She has always slept through (since about 6 months, for 12 hours or more) and has never had any problems unless ill.
I totally believe that the key is consistency. They need rules. They need guidelines that never change. Like someone else said I read in the comments section.. Kids don’t know maybe. They only know yes, or no.
You either will give in and cuddle them eventually, or you will not. Maybes just confuse them and make the issue worse.
It seriously doesn’t take long for them to work out that you won’t give in. And I can’t see anything in her at this stage that suggests I have harmed her in any way. We’re a year on and Rowan actually goes to bed happily shouting ‘it’s bubbise time!!!’
Something I picked up from a TV program was getting a child comfortable in their own space…. Supernanny in fact I seem to recall… She suggested taking the kid up to their bedroom and playing with them in there through the day. Reading books, playing games.. whatever.. but actually get them to appreciate ‘their space’.
Rowan is just starting to vocalise her understanding that her bedroom is hers. She likes being in there and gets taken up to her room every day for her sleep.. whether she sleeps or not..
I think she’s totally comfy in there and this goes a long way to her feeling safe and warm in her room when she wakes in the night. Which she does… cos we hear her jabbering and playing!!
I have the hope that this may help a random few.. !! But if not… well… good luck with whatever you try ![]()


















March 25, 2007 at 11:48 pm
so much for the expression, slept like a baby
March 26, 2007 at 2:28 am
So nice of you to write a whole post about this!
The bad news is … I’m totally OK with CIO. We have done it in the past, and it always works. I had to do it after we moved from NY to Illinois this summer, and some days she cried as long as an hour before she finally went down. It nearly broke me, as sad and homesick as I was myself.
But we also do all the stuff you talk about here - play upstairs in her room, etc.
I am totally willing to let her cry it out, but she isn’t crying. She is SHRIEKING. And shaking. She gets hysterial and when this happens she has a tendency to jump from her crib.
Because I am taking her on holiday by myself in early April, we aren’t going to try to move her into a bed until I get back. Why start a new routine when it will just get messed up?
So, my plan is to take it night by night. She isn’t napping anymore so she is worn to a nub when we out her down. I moved a rocking chair into the nursery and if she has another waking period tonight, I will let her cry for 10 minutes and then rock her and out her back to bed when she is calm.
I won’t take her to bed with me, no matter how tempting it is to do because I am tired.
Sorry for this epic comment! But thanks again, and thanks for introducing me to your blog. It shares a title with our favorite folk song!
March 26, 2007 at 7:37 pm
i really don’t think i can comment on this because it is so profoundly opposite to what suits us as a family - but i will query this
“it’s really beneficial for them to learn how to spend time alone. This is even better for them if they then wake in the night.. as they won’t be scared to be alone and can feel safe in their own bed and own space until they’re ready to go back to sleep”
Why? What possible basis has a health visitor got for saying this? Why would it be beneficial for a tiny child to learn to be alone? I just can’t imagine where it would come from at all. If children wake up and want comfort in the long dark night, surely going and finding it is the most natural thing in the world. After all, adults sleep together through choice; it’s a state we revert to as soon as the conventions of society allow it. Many cultures have group sleeping as an absolute norm.
Mind you, i gave up on health visitors when i heard of one telling a young mum that all babies must weigh at least average!
You weren’t really expecting me to agree with you on this one though, were you?
(Says the woman who’s clock change confused child has just been bellowed at to get back to bed!)
March 26, 2007 at 8:40 pm
Hi Mrs Chicken - teaching you to suck eggs then?
It seems we all know the same things then.. I can offer no help beyond that point cos we’ve never experienced the shrieking thing, or any real nightmares yet or such.. I hope she settles down soon for you.
Talking to a colleague today whose daughter was born just before Ella, she is 8 months old and still waking three times a night and has never got past that stage… They have tried everything but Lauren insists on waking apparently .. they obviously really are all different then.. I thought that was just something that mums said!!
Hi Merry
although.. different horses for different courses and all that jazz.. 


No.. I didn’t expect you to agree
Both Ella and Rowan have been left to learn the whole get to sleep on their own thing but also have enjoyed bed cuddles and unrelenting fuss and cuddles when ill/grumpy/needy or whatever. If they need it - they get it and that’s that!
Rowan is actually joyous to go to bed every night… so it can’t have done her that much harm.. and .. I see the point Anne (HV) was making.
I think it is beneficial for them to learn how to be alone. I love the fact that Rowan is so self sufficient.
But then, I have a really good HV that I really like and really trust so I spose that defo helps.
Rowan happily occupies herself in her room or potters about on her own for ages but doesn’t seem to have suffered from it.. do you think? She’s happy and interactive and cheeky. Loves companionship but equally loves playing alone. I don’t really think that’s been affected by sleep training in either way. For all that a lot of people believe that CIO is horrendous.. I certainly don’t seem to be seeing a lot of the side effects that a couple of my mates are from doing the opposite so who knows?
Ella also learn to go to sleep on her own right from the beginning nearly .. about 10 weeks I think … and although she grumps on the odd night, 70% of the time she gets put in bed now she just rolls around and laughs for a bit, in the dark in bed on her own, giggles, blows raspberries and drops off to sleep…
So it can’t be all that bad really, can it? I believe they are both the better for it.. or I wouldn’t have done it..
“there is a difference between crying and fussing and screaming. I would never have let her scream. That’s different.”
I’m not all heartless y’ know
March 26, 2007 at 9:07 pm
No, she isn’t suffering. i guess i’m just baffled by the HV really because so far as i know, in my limited (or not so) experience - kids only seem to wake up if cold, hungry, sad or ill as a rule.
But you know… whatever pulls ones own cord
We’re far from perfect here, but aside freom the odd “argh, will you all just bugger off!” moments, we do rather love our snuggly sleeps 
March 26, 2007 at 9:20 pm
I love mine too .. suffering slightly today though from the 2-hour-heavy-head-of-the-7-month-old in the right arm!! Gotta love the 5am starts!!
March 26, 2007 at 9:21 pm
Also - tell you what wakes Ella up.. She talks in her sleep!!! Sometimes she dreams so loudly - she wakes herself up laughing or shouting!! Oh the JOY
March 27, 2007 at 1:03 pm
Update - we are getting there. Our new strategy is to go in, calm her in the crib, and sit by the crib until she settles again. Last night she was back sleeping in two minutes.
When I get back from my April holiday to Florida, she’s going in a bed. She told us yesterday that monsters live in the crib. So, bye bye crib.
March 27, 2007 at 7:16 pm
Ah.. yes.. Bub-bye crib… sounds like she’s taken aversion to the crib.. I on the other hand, tempted all sorts of fate and haven’t slept a full night since I opened my big mouth!!!