You know when I thought about having children, there was so much to be frightened of and nervous about.
Will the baby be OK? Will it be healthy..? All the absolutely normal worries that any mother or father will have whilst they are waiting for their unborn baby. Not just their first .. but every one.
Something that crossed my mind a lot with my first pregnancy was the way in which I would manage to parent.
It’s no secret to those that know me well, that I have quite a fiery temper on occasion. It’s not something I struggle with in a ‘worrying’ way … only something I occasionally struggle to contain when something (or someone) really pushes my buttons. I have to be pushed, a lot, to lose my temper.. but there’s no mistaking it when it’s there.
I have particular buttons.. I don’t know exactly what they are… but there is something particularly button-pushing about 2 year olds ….. and that happily coincides with a life where you just don’t get enough sleep.
This leaves me at a point where I am possibly not the most patient of parents.
I have this tendency to want to physically hit out when I am really pushed by children. Well not children. My child. I have inherited this … or acquired this from my parents … I know that.
My mum really struggled to keep her hands to herself when she was provoked and I often got a slap round the legs, arm or occasionally to the face if I was being particularly annoying or just if she was feeling so inclined in that particular temper for whatever reason.
I always remember thinking at the time – of my parents’ parenting style – that there were things I would never do.
I think on the whole I have little to complain about. I grew up in a lovely house, in a nice village with good schooling and friends. They made a lot possible for me that others just do not get. I was not battered, nor was I tortured, or bullied or abused nor have I ever suffered any kind of serious wrong doing at the hands of my parents.
Clearly, there are plenty who are not this lucky. I read only the other day about a mother somewhere in America who, daily sold her daughters to men, with what I can only imagine were horrendous consequences. Why some people even have children bewilders me.
On the whole.. I believe my folks did an OK job. None of us are murderers. We’re not evil people. We’re all capable of having positive relationships with others. We are all independent, financially and also emotionally. However.. there were things I silently vowed I would not be. I would not do.
I would not shout uncontrollably at tiny things. I would not fly off the handle at insignificant incidences and go on and on shouting and shouting. Beyond usefulness or reason.
I would not look for fights, provoke them at hard times, or hold grudges against my children for things that did not go my way. I would never make it all about me.
I would never make them feel like they couldn’t come to me with absolutely anything. I would make sure they knew I was their friend. I could be trusted. I would support them and I would look after them.. at all costs. There would be loyalty between our unit. They would come first.
But it’s actually having children .. that I see the feelings I said I would never have.. those awful feelings and imaginings of violence and the need to shout at them because they just.won’t.stop.talking.for.one.second… or do as they’re told and PUT.THAT.DOWN! or Don’t TOUCH it’s HOT!
Tipping food off their spoon all over the table .. down themselves.. while half of you says it doesn’t matter.. the other half is looking at yet another load of washing…
It is frustrating.
It’s really very terrifying to admit to strangers that you are capable of imagining whacking your child. There are times when I am actually visualising it when she’s doing something that’s pushing those buttons.
Her new thing is walking deliberately slowly, right in front of you, when she knows you are trying to get past her. That’s the very thing that makes me want to pick her up and chuck her across the room.
I once read something somewhere that Miriam Stoppard had written. She said all children push us to the limits. Babies push us to our extremes. They are frustrating and beyond frustrating. It is not abnormal to imagine harming your child. It is only abnormal to do it.
I take great comfort from that statement and it goes through my mind very often when I’m dealing with Rowan. I am not abnormal. I don’t think I’m abnormal. Sometimes I don’t like her.
I don’t want to see her at those moments. But not really because I don’t like her but because I want to remove the possibility of smacking her when I really don’t want to parent in that way. For whatever silly reason it is that she’s annoying me.
I don’t hit my kids. I don’t actually think there is anything fundamentally wrong with a well intentioned attention-grabbing slap that stops them either harming themselves or stops them from harming others…
But. My parents did hit. And I want to. I desire it. I just don’t actually do it. BUT I see Rowan with that desire. If she think she’s in trouble .. she whacks her own legs. Smacks herself. She’s only been smacked such a few times and actually not for such a long time. But she has copied it. She has that ’snap’ temper. I can see it in her. She shouts out and she lashes out at one particular child. Although – weirdly… never at anyone else?!
I don’t judge people who parent in that way. I just don’t want to do it. We have only really resorted to smacking in situations where she doesn’t listen… to her possible physical detriment & potential danger.
My main focus as a parent is to bring up two children as clear thinking, dependable, sensible, loving, caring, independent, intelligent women. And so much more.
Nevermind the few that go so obviously wrong… how does anyone get through parenting without screwing them up with your own shit?


















April 15, 2007 at 12:47 am
argh, unlurking here. i think you need some help, seriously. you are obviously keen to avoid parenting mistakes of the past. you love your children.
you need advice and a technique to avoid these feelings of violence. talking on here is a very good start. there are professionals that can help too – not talking SS!! just family counsellors, that can help you work through what is really going on, and then understanding and moving on. It doesn’t have to be this stressful, even with a full on job and tiredness.
i hope this comment doesn’t offend.
April 15, 2007 at 1:30 am
Lots I could say but won’t in public, however I don’t see a problem here
I see normal, really. Kids are so frustrating and testing, it turns then into fabulous individuals, but is so hard on the parents..
I recognise the need to lash out, however i don’t. i have a child I freely admit I could have easily thrown out the window as a small person. But I didn’t.
I had the frustation, the need. But I didn’t.
Thats the difference.
Be enough of a parent to recognise that sometimes we are overwhelmed with the resonsibility to bring up an adult, a person who freely makes choices about their life, behaviour, it sucks, really.
I am happy that my parents are better grandparents. I am happy that when I say, you do not shout at my children, they don’t. Ever. Coz I say so. it makes past wrongs a bit more right.
But we cope, best as we can and if that means you really wish you could smack seven bells out of your child , but don’t. Then good for you
xxx
xc
April 15, 2007 at 9:01 am
Hi Helen – you didn’t offend.. I know I’m definitely not at a point where I need ‘help’ help.. the only technique I know is deep breath .. count to ten.. it works .. really I was burbling about how difficult it is sometimes to keep your cool head when they are being incredibly frustrating.
I don’t visualise harming her in any specific way.. I think.. God I would love to pick you up and chuck you out the door right now!
Hi C.. I think you’re right.. the key is that however often you feel like you could cheerfully throttle them.. the key is walking away .. deep breath and not doing it. I also think my parents are better grandparents. They parent my children how I want .. and that is good to control.
Yesterday Rowan had pushed buttons a bit all day.. she’d still been unbelievably cute and done gorgeous things that made me melt but she had been that button pushing two year old she plays so well.. sometimes it’s hard to remember that ’she’s not doing on purpose’ it’s just being two.
Thanks so much for commenting.. Really did help..
April 15, 2007 at 10:13 am
I’ll try and give you a call soon. I know exactly how you feel because both Fran and Amelie have inspired this in me and there was at least one occasion with both of them where i did lose it and shocked myself badly.
I’ve got two things to say which i hope might be helpful in the interim, but i hope you’ll take them the right way.
One is that as Josie and Rowan are exactly the same age, it might be comforting to know Josie is busy pushing boundaries all of a sudden that mean she is getting into trouble for the first time in her life. Poking, spitting, pushing and lying – all done very clearly to see what she can get away with.
The other i will only say here (otherwise i’d take my own advice, if you see what i mean) because you’ve blogged so openly about family issues that i know have affected me, have affected you (have clearly affected our brother less badly on the basis he fell victim to them less) and that i know you want to avoid and it is this, said with love and care.
Be careful how tight you squeeze and how much control you exert. We were very tightly controlled and very tightly squeezed and the result was that we slid through fingers in an effort to rebel and evade as best we could. The control the exerted affected the people we became. I horrified myself (in front of Helen actually) by deliberately displaying a taunting behaviour back to mum by text the other day, which is a left over from those days.
You know i’ve had counselling and you know what it was for but actually i spent the most of it talking over the legacy of a childhood where i felt i was always performing and always trying to please people and how negatively it affected my ability to be a whole person. It might be helpful to try and get some anger management counselling – either through work or by going to your gp and explaining these feelings. You don’t need counselling to dealing with a problem you’ve got, but some to divert a problem coming might be useful.
We already know that Aunty Merry will be the one who lost the plot in her 30’s, but let’s see if we can avoid our children communally telling tales of red mist and face slapping somewhere down the line
(((hugs)))
April 15, 2007 at 11:12 am
I was a bit worried when I commented. I have a present button pushing 2 year old. But I worked through issues of frustration with her older sister. We are a total no smack family, and try and be a no shout. Primarily because when I shout and snap it has way more to do with me than the behaviour I see. And when I shout and snap, I get shouting and snapping back.
i still think some family dynamics counselling will help though, it will help you not have to worry, and not get so frustrated.
April 15, 2007 at 11:13 am
I was a bit worried when I commented that you would be offended or upset, as we only ‘know’ each other through the most tenuous of links, but for family reasons it is an issue close to heart.
I have a present button pushing 2 year old [who was being rather mean to J last time we met]. But I worked through issues of frustration with her older sister. We are a total no smack family, and try and be a no shout. Primarily because when I shout and snap it has way more to do with me than the behaviour I see. And when I shout and snap, I get shouting and snapping back.
i still think some family dynamics counselling will help though, it will help you not have to worry, and not get so frustrated.
April 15, 2007 at 11:53 am
hmm, managed to send twice. sorry. second one is the one intended to be sent!
April 15, 2007 at 12:42 pm
I’m not easily offended honestly
I couldn’t possibly be offended by an opinion when I’ve openly posted about something very possibly readable as controversial.
I would want to make clear though – that we don’t hit. I am against smacking for everyday punishment simply because it’s something I went through that I don’t wish to extend to my children.. But I think because I was, it is second nature to me to want to. I’m only talking about that desire to lash out when you are being stretched to your maximum whether through tiredness on our part or boundary testing on their part.
Rowan is generally really well behaved – but is clearly doing all of those classic things to try and see who’s in charge.
I will eat what I want. I won’t eat it if you want me to.. but I will if I can see pudding. I won’t say thank you unless I see what’s in it for me. I won’t help tidy unless I feel like it. But other points of the day or the next day…
But we know how to get what we want too. Bribery and bargaining is not something I’m ashamed to do
I don’t think I would go to counselling for this .. only because I see behaviour in me that others have described in themselves. I believe it’s totally normal to have build ups of frustration but totally not normal to act on them. I do have a flashy temper but only when provoked. It’s not an irrational or abnormal temper.
As the adult (allegedly
) it’s up to me to exert the control on my behaviour as she is only learning. I think the fact that I understand that, is the key to being ‘normal’ .. for want of a better word..
I think BN and I are an excellent combination of parents in fact. HE was parented strictly and instinctively follows that example and sometimes it is he that is being strict, bringing out my relaxed side..
We both have that ability to watch from the sidelines and say ‘hey.. I’ll take over’. We were only talking about it Friday night in fact which is what inspired this post.
Rowan gets away with (a measured) plenty. We’re both aware that she has to have times where she wins. I am really keen on parenting ideas programs and biology behavioural programs (Robert Winston is my absolute idol) and we take a lot of notice of those and have learned a lot right back from before we were even expecting Rowan.
So. I don’t think I need it……
Feel free to tell me I’m wrong though..?
April 15, 2007 at 12:49 pm
Don’t think you NEED it; but it might be helpful at some point to talk through some of the general frustrations that you (and i) have from those things, especially when you think that a 2 year old is one thing, a 5 year old has it honed to an UNBELIEVABLE level and god alone knows what a teenager will be like!
April 15, 2007 at 6:48 pm
ha ha!! That made me laugh out loud!!
When you put it like that..!!
April 15, 2007 at 9:47 pm
I really enjoyed this post! The main thing that struck me was that my parents parented in the same way as yours, very much so in fact and I am still living with the legacy that has affected me on many levels.
I also felt relief that I am not the only person who feels like this. I can confess that when Nathan and Abi were toddlers I did on occasion give in and smack as a discipline method. I never wanted to do it but knew no other way. It is good that you made a concerted decision early on not to repeat your parents mistakes. I finally grasped “the other way” and now with Em and Seb I would only use a smack in the same way as you; in instances of danger and also when things are escalating in a ridiculous fashion and need focus. My perspective is that you are not abnormal and I dont think your urges are abnormal. I have always been told by my counsellor that vocalising takes the power and intensity out of a feeling and I believe that. I have a great friend who I can call up and tell her how xxxxx(insert appropriate name) drives me up the wall and I soooo want to beat them or whateer I am feeling and she goes “yes it makes you feel like that doesnt it!” and I feel alright again and not evil. Sorry I’m waffling, but I may have the legacy from my parents but by choosing the path less travelled I am changing the legacy for my children ( I hope)
Anyway, just my perspective.
Carol
x
April 15, 2007 at 10:56 pm
Hi–first timer to your blog and find it interesting–wonderful openness and honesty!
I am a blogging Dad who has a 3 1/2 y.o. I must say up front that my parenting point of view is different then the average parents. I’m not of the mind that kids are out to test us—they are being curious and they are trying to imitate and they are trying to learn. Their little brains are hardwired to learn—so they will try to learn whether we like it or not.
The question is—what will they learn? And how can we guide them to learn healthy strategies? I had the same thought as you–what was the way in which I would manage to parent.
For me, it was understanding that I could never see my child clearly unless I had begun to wrestle with my own demons. To deal with my child through the veils of my own demons was to see my little one in a distorted way.
There is no denying the genetic influence parents have on their kids. But, genetics gives us a predisposition, not a direct blueprint.
What I have observed is that kids “misbehave” because they have not fully comprehended how to accomplish whatever the task is they are being asked. Verbal directions alone (repeated over and over) don’t cut it. But, physically showing them how to do a particular skill—like being patient–is much more effective.
So for example—being patient is composed of being calm and waiting. You gently hold your child in place and give it a name–”patience please.” At times when it is appropriate for your kid to be patient–calmly and gently hold them still (the posture) and give it the correct name–”patience please.”
Within a short time when you say “patience please”, they will be patient because they can understand the physical posture and naming something. Yelling over and over at them only exacerbates a situation.
Wonderful post. Looking forward to hearing more. Thank you for sharing!
April 15, 2007 at 11:31 pm
You know I think that’s really good to hear. I discussed this with my other half on Friday night, posted about it and then discussed it again. I don’t feel abnormal. I feel as though everyone must feel this to some degree, either because of how they were parented or because sometimes kids do just drive you insane!!
Maybe when I feel like it I should ring you!!
thanks
x.
April 16, 2007 at 2:52 am
Greer…
good on you for posting this.
just… good on you.
for being honest and self-aware and conscious.
it’s not abnormal. M. Stoppard is absolutely right. there really is a big gap between feeling and doing. it may not seem like it in the heat of the moment, but really. there is.
the world needs more parents like you and BN.
x.
April 16, 2007 at 6:12 am
Yes, parents have a lot to answer too!
Call anytime ;o)
Carolx
April 18, 2007 at 9:25 pm
Thanks Phoebe
x.